when is a good time to give up and go and eat something? leaders are still apparently still having heated discussions. where? no-one knows? there has been a debate going on how to vote on any decision.. but it is in a language of numbers and procedure. i have had a load of cameras and recorders stuck in my face now and tried to say what and outsider walking in to this madness might think. one who is perhaps concerned about the rise of global temperatures. one who has experienced this first hand maybe. one who may have even voted in their leader on the basis that they may do the right thing on this issue.. only to see them surrounded by this weird fog. i hope that the fog clears sometime tonight. but that they dont pretend to have an agreement that they do not. i hope this is not over.

ok so now there are texts/ drafts flying around all over the place. just when things feel like they are falling apart rumours that europe will commit to bigger cuts? hysteria and confusion is in the air. there has been a request for leaders to stay an extra night? what 'on earth' is going on? i pray something. i pray that something comes of this process. that all these people for all these years, all these flights to copenhagen all this hot air has some meaning. and in the midst of it all i take to bbc radio 1 and am asked 'yeah but is climate change really real' etc etc. oh for gods sake.
what am i doing here??

Hello. I arrived at the copenhagen summit yesterday afternoon.
I felt compelled to come to find some hope from these talks. for our kids and theirs. judge that as you will.
i camewith a friend of mine Tony Juniper ( He was previously head of Friends of the Earth when i was involved with them to get the climate bill passed in the UK. a Framed copy of which i have on my wall at home. ) So is there any? well yesterday there seemed to be.
the first person i met was the famous john vidal from the guardian who said things were moving again. then we talked to others who said the same. got technical for a bit most of which i can follow but i get lost on the forest stuff and still can't piece together how you can have a kyoto style agreement and another for america et all running at the same time. but then i sat in on a uk press briefing with Ed Miliband. and he made things clear in some ways.
yesterday there is a lot of brinksmanship, the americans offering money seemed. but no-one was talking 40 percent cuts by 2020. and the negotiations had an obvious G8 vibe about them. the west dictating terms and bizarrely assuming that the science could be bartered.. !!! arguing about who cuts what??? that somehow the amount we have to cut our emissions is negotiable?? what a crock of shit. may i humbly suggest that we remove the professional negotiators who seem to relish the negotiations for their own sake. miliband talked about a hundred square brackets in the document waiting to be filled.
it feels like the developed countries are trying to wrestle some sort of business as usual out of this. despite huge domestic and global political pressure. and the imminent demise of life on earth.
these cuts are non negotiable, they are the facts. it is not surprising that the developing countries find this difficult to stomach and sign up too. that and the mysterious lack of transparency to the process.

what is frustrating so far is americas attitude. hilary clintons speech was apparently still trying to shift responsibilty for emissions around... which is just frankly nuts.
obama said nothing though i have not seen all the speech yet. i feel very sad for all americans i know who hold so much hope for this man. still.. i guess the day isnt over. its 3pm on friday ( though it should have finished by now). and our leaders are fully aware they are in disgrace. and fully aware that they cannot draw up an agreement and force it upon us all without us immediatley seeing the holes in it.

the atmosphere here is deepy distressing at the moment though, with many of the suits obviously puzzling how to make this look good how to spin something positive.
frankly they should have kept all the NGOs in here. throwing them out was an absolute disgrace.. ( though some are now back in )right now they should tearing this place apart with their bare hands, registering the utter disgust that the rest of the world will feel if today ends like this. and i say if. there is a prayer and meditation room here. i may have to go and sit it and dodge all these cameras.

tony just told me a bunch of latin american countries just walked out. at least someone is registering their anger here. people are being too reasonable.

at the Climate Conference the American argues that 'shall' be replaced with 'should'

while outside there are near riots.
that is not good enough America.

Some debating will be done in Copenhagen by those who, whether they admit it or not, hope not to to see the full consequences.
The youth are the ones who will inherit what happens now.
Below is a site where a 1000 kids from 100 different countries are debating the issues.
Some fresh minds with fresh ideas and no baggage would be nice no?


DEBATEWISE.ORG

1. Olson 1:29 by Boards Of Canada Music Has The Right to Children
2. Get Off (Rob3 Remix) by Blaqstarr & Diplo Get Off - EP
3. It's Gonna Rain, Part I (1965) by Steve Reich Early Works
4. Piano Concerto : II. Lento e deserto by Ligeti Project Ligeti: Melodien, Chamber Concerto, Piano Concerto & Mysteries of the Macabre
5. Open Up The Gate by The Congos Heart Of The Congos
6. clusters on a quadrilateral grid 2 by Percussion Group Cincinnati John Luther Adams: Strange and Sacred Noise
7. Dance Dance Dance [Previously Unreleased Version] by Neil Young Neil Young Archives Volume I

1. Prelude in D Major, Op. 23 No. 4>> Vladimir Ashkenazy & James Walker Rachmaninov: Preludes
2. There's A World [Live At Massey Hall 1971]>> Neil Young from Neil Young Archives Volume I [1963 - 1972]
3. CELLZ>> Doom from BORN LIKE THIS
4. RN2-09 PT1 + PT >> AOKI Takamasa from ununtrium / RN-RHYTHM-VARIATIONS
5. Magnetfeld>> Feadz from 10 Years of BPitch Control
6. Everyone>> The Aliens from Luna
7. Hyper (Instrumental)>> Illum Sphere from Incoming Ep
8. Ghost Train Acid>> Ceephax Acid Crew from Bainted Smile - EP

and the autumn sun is out

1. Intro + Gold Love Riddim by Tapes from Hissing Theatricals
2. Herzog by Clark from Warp20: Chosen
3. Square Footage by Luke Vibert from We Hear You
4. Take A Ride Version by Dub Specialist from Studio One Dub
5. Incredible by M Beat General Levy from Rumble in the Jungle
6. Quiet Dog by Mos Def from The Ecstatic
7. Dinamo by Nathan Fake from Dinamo
8. Drane by Autechre from Warp20:Chosen
9. Nordic House by Ceephax from Exidy Tours